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    Posted: 18 Apr 2013 at 4:10pm
 
First, we had the Boston Marathon attacks.  Then, we had the ricin scares.  Now, we have this huge explosion/fire at the fertilizer plant in Texas.
 
Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but doesn't this fire seem strange?  It's right near Waco, and it's happening right at the 20th anniversary of the Waco siege.  On top of that, it's also one day away from the 18th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing, where fertilizers were used to make the explosives that killed so many.
 
I dunno.  I'm no conspiracy theorist, but all this---all within 4 days---just seems too weird to me.
 
 
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Regarding the Waco fire - I heard this morning they were treating it as a crime scene.
 
It's like it's National Nut Job week or something.
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(Sorry - hit enter) - I don't know if that status (crime scene) has changed or not but that's what I initially heard.

Beloved heard that the type of fire it was, adding water is what made it explode.
 
Nowadays, everything sounds fishy.
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I heard about this one on my way into work this morning ... at the time, they weren't even gonna try and speculate on the death count.  Also another incident that hits close to home for me, though not near as close as the college stabbing incident.  It's actually not too terribly  far from LittleO (I think).
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Originally posted by Madawee Madawee wrote:

Nowadays, everything sounds fishy.

 
I'm almost starting to wonder about my cat Sneakers' death.
 
 
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Here's a video of the explosion ... very scary, and I can't even imagine the fear that little girl whose voice you hear was experiencing after the boom.   The guy said the blast was strong enough to make his truck jump off the ground a little, even from that distance. 

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^  Wow, the kid couldn't even hear!  (Well, at least she didn't have to hear Dad say that "no-no".)
 
But, Christ!  Those blasts decimated entire apartment buildings!  Shocked
 
 
 
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Originally posted by insanity213 insanity213 wrote:

I heard about this one on my way into work this morning ... at the time, they weren't even gonna try and speculate on the death count.  Also another incident that hits close to home for me, though not near as close as the college stabbing incident.  It's actually not too terribly  far from LittleO (I think).

Yeah, I could be there in about 1 1/2 hours. I actually lived near Waco for a while when I was a kid. West isn't so close that I think of it as the Waco "area," although they are in the same county. The date does seem suspicious, but my instinct is that it's just a horrible coincidence. I am open to other theories, but for now am hoping for the best (best being relative of course).

The local stations pre-empted Leno and Letterman to run live coverage last night, and this morning they played the press conference on AM radio. It sounds like there are still volunteer firefighters missing, and they kept referring to moving "bodies," but wouldn't commit to a number. Last night the news was saying possibly 60-70 dead, and now the most anyone will say is 5-15. 
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^  Yes.  I saw the "60-70" number, too.
 
I haven't actually heard anyone on cable news mention the date-location coincidence.  Have they noted that on the Texas news stations?
 
 
 
 
 
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When I heard it on the local talk show this morning they did mention the proximity to Waco and the 20 year anniversary, but nothing about the OKC fertilizer connection.

Houses as far as a half mile away were completely leveled by the explosion. 
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I thought the bombings and the fertilizer factory fire was a pretty odd coincidence.
 
I lived in Norman, Oklahoma when the Murrah building was bombed.  It really was a game-changer for our country and many people kind of walked around in a daze.  And I remember exactly where I was.  I was standing next to the soda machine talking to Paul somebody who was in my Architecure class. Weird.
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Ironic, but could have been a mistake by responding emergency officials. We have had a simular incident in recent years. I sure as hell hope there is no link to Waco or Oklahoma City or Boston. 
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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

 
^  Yes.  I saw the "60-70" number, too.
 
I haven't actually heard anyone on cable news mention the date-location coincidence.  Have they noted that on the Texas news stations?
 

I don't recall hearing any mention of it, but it's hard to be sure. All the coverage I've read/seen/listened to this week is starting to run together.
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^  Tell me about it.  I wanted to Google pics of the Boston suspects, and I started to type in "Waco explosion suspects".
 
 
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I'm wondering why there were so many residences so near a fertlizer plant or why the plant was so close to so many residences.

Seems like they would've kinda forseen the possibility of such a disaster.

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Jimbo, exactly what I thought.  Maybe the residences were there before the plant and they couldn't sell.
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Originally posted by Madawee Madawee wrote:

Nowadays, everything sounds fishy.

 
ConfusedI just gave a speech to a group, touching on this topic, today.
(before we go further, I did go to school leaning toward journalism, but I decided to make a living for my young, growing family pack o'wolfy pups and changed careers, instead)
One experiment we performed during school, back in 'Journalism Days', was to line 30 people up against a wall.
Tell the first one a very, very short story - maybe 3 sentences.
There was no whispering, but it started far enough away that the last people couldn't really hear.
The first person had to tell the next, who in turn, told the next the same story.
The 30th person had to repeat it to the person who told it to the FIRST person.
No matter what, it wasn't quite the same story.
Facts get skewed, perceptions and understandings may, unfortunately, get polluted.
My favorite, most current example of that goes back to Rodney King and the L.A. riots, along with the attack on Reginald Denny. *I* was right THERE, that day and was also the 2nd person taken to Cedars-Siani Hospital (for nothing to do with the incident, but everything to do with 'fate'). In any case, the person before me was in a body bag, and my buddy from Detroit (who eescorted me to the hospital) unzipped the bag and put a lit cigarette in that person's mouth, which created a scene that allowed me to get attention quicker (we're life-long friends and think very much alike)).
In any case, we sat 'front and center' in the middle of the L.A. riots of 1992, for over a week. We COULD NOT leave, we were locked in a luxury hotel with boarded windows, the National Guard with certain 'shoot-on-sight' directives "guarding" us (I lost a real journalist friend, because he wanted to take a picture), a dusk curfew, and an 'open bar'. We toured 'hell' during the day, but were back in time 'to do our homework' and help keep the bar open.
Hunter S. Thompson SHOULD have been there. I would have readily bought him a drink. And borrowed his .45 (my father asked me if I needed anything during that week; I actually asked him to "fax me a .45..."  
My point is THIS:
As I flew the 6 hour flight home (which was Tampa, back then), I listened intently to the news from L.A.
And I knew it would, doncha know - the story - the events - the 'reality' took on slants and a life of its own before we approached the Mighty Mississippi, as reported by stations which we could then receive 'updated news'. Nobody who wasn't there really caught it clear, no matter how 'real-time' KTLA reported it (and THEY didn't even get it all that correct).
So, PaWolf's observation for 'recent events' is this:
Journalists, these days, are IDIOTS - plain and simple.
'Yellow Journalism' lives on and as strong as ever. It skews your perception - FIND THE FACTS, take the press's reporting with an open mind.
The public must read with caution - nobody is better than the next. Look at New York Times versus CNN, when it comes to Boston coverage - they were both wrong, but both doing ANYTHING to be first across the 'finish line'. I MUST commend the local Dorchester news community, as they wasted NO time (very correctly) discounting the JFK Library incident. 
At the end of the day, the truth that bubbles to the top is not always the story you initially heard.
That's a very bad thing.
As Paul Harvey always said..."..and now, for the rest of the story..."
 
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Originally posted by Hootman Hootman wrote:

Jimbo, exactly what I thought.  Maybe the residences were there before the plant and they couldn't sell.
 
Seems like there would've been some kind of zoning laws in place that would've not allowed them to build an industrial plant of any kind in an area zoned as residential.
 
I dunno.
 
I just can't imagine living next door to a fertilizer plant.
 
The smell alone must've been horrible.
 
And I'd have really been afraid to drink the water.
 
 
 
 
 
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Yes, it would be the pits to live that close but it seems that some of the older manmade disasters had people living right next to mills, plants, etc. Remember that one in Pennsylvania several decades ago and the mill smoke and heavy air trapped all those pollutants and people dropped like flies--and they had no idea what was causing it.  And wasn't there a horrific oil refinery explosion/fire and I think some houses and maybe a school were fairly close.  I would need to look up and see how old that plant was.
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Okay,this makes sense though not sure this is explaination for this fertilizer plant.  Years ago, it was common practice for companies to build housing for their workers near the plant which makes since for the company owner, not necessarily for the worker.  Although it would be hard to turn down housing.
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In 1949 a suburb of Houston, Texas City was destroyed when two ships loaded with fertilizer exploded in the harbor. Shocked
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Here's a Google map of the area, with explanations of what you're looking at.  Seems the explosion was only about 700 feet from the residences.
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by bwestfall bwestfall wrote:

Okay,this makes sense though not sure this is explaination for this fertilizer plant.  Years ago, it was common practice for companies to build housing for their workers near the plant which makes since for the company owner, not necessarily for the worker.  Although it would be hard to turn down housing.
 
That was very common in mining towns.
 
I don't know if the housing was free, though. Probably very cheap. And of course, everyone who lived there had to shop at the company store. All of it deducted directly from the workers' wages.
 
The movie October Sky (truly awesome movie based on a true story if you've never seen it, btw) took place in one of those little company owned mining towns.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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BW points out a few interesting 'historical events' and 'historically common practices'.
While the Northeast was into 'child (slave) labor' all along the Hudson for all kinds of products, the Southeast was just as bad, but more often concentrating on the textile industries. No matter what, everyone lived close to the place of work (and this goes back to European practicies).
Doesn't mean this style of practice ended with the 'Industrial Revolution', no. Heck, it goes on to these days, both in and out of the U.S. of AmeriLand.
Industries keep primary workers close to home, pay in controlled 'barter dollars', and always have 'the best interests of their employees' in hand.
You know it's true - look at Bhopal.
The only thing that surprised me about THIS Waco incident was the massive damage, but apparent low loss of life...ummmmm....where were the residents and all the anticipated body parts? 'The Inquiring Mindless NEED TO KNOW!'
 
ConfusedLet's play 'STUPID' and ask, "Could THIS be a conspiracy?! A 'Gov Little Ricky Perry' Cover-Up? A way to get Fed Dollars *without* whining?!  Neeeeehhh....that'd be stupid, now wouldn't it be. Almost as stupid as burning down the historical Austin Gov's mansion while in Paris with the fam, or shooting a dog while you are jogging...
 
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