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    Posted: 17 Jan 2011 at 12:38am
Get ready...here comes "WATSON"...which is a 'start'.
Obvious challenge for 'humans'; if we can ask for an answer from a computer, will our own skills and abilities become impaired or enhanced over time? Will computers make decisions for us? Who will be the first to hear, "...because Watson said so! That's why!"?
...or, will we employ this technology in a responsible manner?
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I truly cannot wait to see this on Jeopardy! YAY
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Confused...Kiddo...let's just hope we see it on 'Jeopardy' before in 'Human Resources'...
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I saw Watson on Jeopardy, this week - two episodes.

It was like watching two half-hour commercials for IBM.
Let's try not to be boring, mkay?
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Keep in mind one more thing...that show is a great place for Watson to 'learn'.

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...Picks up mouse, turns it upside-down, and speaks into it, "Hello computer!" LOLWinkLOLBig smileLOL

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Originally posted by AngryMcPisseron AngryMcPisseron wrote:

Originally posted by PaWolf PaWolf wrote:

 
 
...Picks up mouse, turns it upside-down, and speaks into it, "Hello computer!" LOLWinkLOLBig smileLOL
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Let's hope Watson doesn't become so smart we have to 'execute' it...like Hal9000.
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First logical application test...most certainly, it will be very carefully monitored. No more games.
 
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Originally posted by PaWolf PaWolf wrote:

First logical application test...most certainly, it will be very carefully monitored. No more games.
 
 
Incredible. That article said, "With Watson's speech recognition and question and answering skills, he stole the show and won more than $77,000 for charity..."
 
Watson may have speech recognition skills, but they weren't in evidence on Jeopardy. That's why this contest was rigged toward the machine from the get-go. Watson was fed the questions in text format when they were revealed to the two human contestants.
 
To make the contest fair, the machine should have had a camera focused on each question as it was revealed, and/or a microphone to pick up the spoken version of the question (that is speech recognition), and should have had to interpret either the visual or audio version of the question into text, then analyse it for meaning.
 
That is precisely what the human contestants had to do. By feeding the questions in text format to Watson, they were skipping a step the humans had to perform.
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Watson may have speech recognition skills, but they weren't in evidence on Jeopardy. That's why this contest was rigged toward the machine from the get-go. Watson was fed the questions in text format when they were revealed to the two human contestants.
 
To make the contest fair, the machine should have had a camera focused on each question as it was revealed, and/or a microphone to pick up the spoken version of the question (that is speech recognition), and should have had to interpret either the visual or audio version of the question into text, then analyse it for meaning.
 
That is precisely what the human contestants had to do. By feeding the questions in text format to Watson, they were skipping a step the humans had to perform.
That really didn't NEED to happen, TK.
Easier to do that and keep the show within the time limits and not worry about phoenetics or the perceived meaning of a spoken sentance - and the possibility of a misunderstanding.
Believe it or don't, dammit - it happens in 'real life' between humans, too!
ConfusedLet's start out by 'getting real'. Computer Technology has existed and been in use for over 5000 years, now - no joke. We're AWFULLY late getting this out, and our kids continually prove themselves to be more stupid than ever, so, we may be TOO late.
Maybe we don't need the new 'Watson' - could signal the 'end of the world as we know it' (and easily/clearly derived from the Hopi Indian prophesies, which are really very specific...but then again, line right up with everything from the Mayans to the WebBot Project.
For anyone wishing to panic now -  go right ahead and pull out that REM CD - crank it up full volume and 'smoke 'em if ya got 'em' (we're glad to know the 'gene pool' will be a lot less crowded in a few years - more for us 'realists').
'WATSON' really has been around a LONG time - only now has it become affordable for businesses and services to take a profitable advantage...
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Soooooo...Watson and 'Jeopardy' - 'old stuff and overdue' - let's look at it.
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('speech recognition skills' are the EASY part...but then again, so are the remaining 'pieces and parts'.  
It has all been around forever, so it seems....
Now, in thinking about "Watson", let's take a 'high-level' look at some key components, from 'PaW's perspective'...to be presented in 2 parts, when I'm damn good and ready...)
Part 1:
Speech Recognition and Artificial Intelligence:
For development of Artificial Intelligence applications (such as 'speech recognition' ), the LISP programming language has long been preferrerd. It came into its own over 50 years ago - it is very well established. As a high-level language, only FORTRAN is older, I believe.
Yes - LISP is older than COBOL....
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Over 25 years ago, we had the WATSON SYSTEM slapped into a slightly-uplifted IBM PC/AT. We tied it into an AT&T System 85 phone switch (we actually had a telephone company 'pont of presence' in our building - it was restricted and we could NOT go into "AT&T Land",  but we could and did 'hook up'...). It allowed us full-blown voice recognition from our desks, down in the Tampa Labs, back then...it only had problems with country hicks and foreigners (basically, anyone with accents).
Yea, 25 years ago, from a few complex applications and a special single-purpose board slapped into a spare IBM PC/AT, if someone called any of our desks (there were four of us), we would know, no matter where we were (we had it hit our pagers) and could pick up; before we got smart, we forwarded call to our home phones. This was in the 'dark ages' prior to 'caller i.d.' - we learned very quickly that really sucked, especially if bill collectors were looking for you.
'Decision Engines'
Whoopee! (what a stupid fu*&ing name! 'Decision Engine'! Can't we just go back to calling programs 'programs' and the idiot box an ABACUS, again? (ABACUS: Why, an original 5000 year-old computer, doncha know!)
Welcome to 'Electronic Data Processing 101'.
'Fat' boxes using 'Fat', high-level languages and 4GLs, to create monsterous applications in lower-level languages are also very old - but used to be so much more incredibly expensive. In fact, outside of mega-organizations, or governments, not often encountered. Some of the decision processes got so stinkin' complex, people started using 'Workflow Processes' to define decision points, then drill in from there - and these 'process definition for simpletons' tools ran on separate machines and generated the very fat source programs one would compile and run elsewhere on another machine, which, of course, would be translated into ginormous machine-code executables through the required compile/assemble processes.
Kind of felt like the beginning of 'The Dumbing-Down of America's Youth, if the Drugs didn't Work'....
It was not unlike the challenge of 'How Many Fat People Can I Stuff in a VW Beetle Before Any One of Them Dies?'. Well, first, it seemed you could stuff more into 'available Virtual Cars in the same REAL Car',  but the weight alone ended up keeping it from going anywhere....so, we got more 'real cars' to shovel all those fattys into...decision processes then occurred occurred.
Then again, any real programmer remembered that 65% of the job is DOCUMENTATION, so they used FLOW CHARTS actually drawn by hand! How original!! One could SEE, one could WRITE the required code without the extra software...but not for free (those of us that could ensured you paid for it all, dearly).  
Still got any of your plastic templates, TK? How many different kinds? Did the kids grow up playing with them, your 'coding sheets', and crayolas? If so, you ARE an official "Old Fart".Wink
Workflow software has often run on seperate machines (primarily your desktop, after you got one and only once it got big enough). They were pretty; they had practical application on your first desktops. They generated decision software as described above - and almost ANY idiot, or 'artist' (or, in the 'worst-case' scenerio, the horrible combination of both) could generate code by walking through 'Workflow Processes'.
They made your company spend MORE MORE MONEY on HARDWARE, and annual Harware/Software License Upgrades!
Companies demanded less of their IT professionals; they required fewer and readily accepted a lower-level of skilled full-time employess, so as to maintain higher profit margins. The average U.S. citizen, with their average 3rd-grade level of understanding, never really saw a thing and accepted what was coming.
This was expensive - REAL, REAL expensive.
Things have turned around 180%.
 
"Gee, PaW...a LOT has been spewed...whatcha really tryin' ta say, so far?"
  • 'WATSON' has been around a LONG TIME - but has been expensive, so...the ability to apply the technology to 'every day processes' has been but a 'pipe dream' - until now....why? 
  • Hardware is plentiful and cheap.
  • Software has become fat, glitzy, and full of holes, glitches, and security risks - including the ability to forge your LEGAL (electronic) signature in a heartbeat.
  • We ALL love all the pretty crap pushed out, these days. We're willing to be entertained while ignoring the risks of the 'open doors' 'entertainment' provides (leaving it to others to 're-invent' the wheel', per se...).
  • People that claim they 'never have a problem' with banks, with electronic data processing and their "secure information" clearly wouldn't know if they HAD one.
  • Most folks haven't been well-schooled on the concept of 'PRIVACY'.

O.K., Gang! Say it with me: "We're doomed!"  (because of our own ignorance and lack of logical insight).

Anyone begin to see why PaWolf & MissyDWolf have become semi-recluses, way up in the GreatWhiteNorth? Why we do not use credit cards and avoid bank checking accounts?
  
Our kids haven't a friggin' clue to how to really write 'machine code'; even playing with the possibiliy of replacing the 'on-off' switch on the bathroom wall sends them straight to the toilet, to keep them from soiling their britches. Companies have sent much of that work overseas - to those that have sold them on the belief they DO (when, in fact, they DO NOT - much less can, nor need to understand any legal implications and ramifications to the U.S. of Americo customer base).
Most do not understand how a computer really works, much less a concept as simple as 'bit-flipping' (otherwise known as 'ON' and 'OFF')...
 
Should I decide to write 'Part 2', it would contain matters related to other OLD technologies such as visual recognition ('scanning technologies') and SECURITY (the very most important part of IT, these days).
 
Again...remember - this is just me and one humble opinion.
 
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Originally posted by pawolf pawolf wrote:

"Gee, PaW...a LOT has been spewed...whatcha really tryin' ta say, so far?"
  • 'WATSON' has been around a LONG TIME - but has been expensive, so...the ability to apply the technology to 'every day processes' has been but a 'pipe dream' - until now....why? 
  • Hardware is plentiful and cheap.
  • Software has become fat, glitzy, and full of holes, glitches, and security risks - including the ability to forge your LEGAL (electronic) signature in a heartbeat.
  • We ALL love all the pretty crap pushed out, these days. We're willing to be entertained while ignoring the risks of the 'open doors' 'entertainment' provides (leaving it to others to 're-invent' the wheel', per se...).
  • People that claim they 'never have a problem' with banks, with electronic data processing and their "secure information" clearly wouldn't know if they HAD one.
  • Most folks haven't been well-schooled on the concept of 'PRIVACY'.

O.K., Gang! Say it with me: "We're doomed!"  (because of our own ignorance and lack of logical insight).

Anyone begin to see why PaWolf & MissyDWolf have become semi-recluses, way up in the GreatWhiteNorth? Why we do not use credit cards and avoid bank checking accounts? (and only bank with major global banks, otherwise)
  
Our kids haven't a friggin' clue to how to really write 'machine code'; even playing with the possibiliy of replacing the 'on-off' switch on the bathroom wall sends them straight to the toilet, to keep them from soiling their britches. Companies have sent much of that work overseas - to those that have sold them on the belief they DO (when, in fact, they DO NOT - much less can, nor need to understand any legal implications and ramifications to the U.S. of Americo customer base).
Most do not understand how a computer really works, much less a concept as simple as 'bit-flipping' (otherwise known as 'ON' and 'OFF')...
 
Supporting info - "Breaking News", this very minute.
 
(This is wrapped all around 'connectionless networks' (TCP/IP), network security, and machine security)
 
This time, it is compromise of business accounts, through smaller banks, through business computers...not worried? not your dollar?
Yes it is - YOU will pay for it all, in the end.
"It's YOUR money - Use it when YOU need it!" (or someone else will)
Watson can tell you this.
 
 
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