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Originally posted by PaWolf PaWolf wrote:

Yes and no.

There may be every good intention from someone to attack the obesity matter in the Philly area and this has become a popular idea.
Question is: Is it realistic?
Who came up with it and who is targeted?
Keep in mind a lower level of intelligence can undermine any great solution to a terrible public problem.
Doesn't seem logical to tax your way to a cure, unless it might be a TAX BREAK, rather than penalty.
 
Cure, shmure.  That's not the point of the tax.  Tax is the point of the tax.  Soda is the first step.  The goal is probably to start taxing juice, cereal and every other food that might be considered unhealthy. 
 
There was a gluten-free tax write-off that was being considered somewhere.  If you can prove you've got Celiac's disease, you become eligible for a write-off on the extra cost associated with gluten-free products.  That seems fair to me.  I don't know whatever happened to the idea, though.
 
 
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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

There was a gluten-free tax write-off that was being considered somewhere.  If you can prove you've got Celiac's disease, you become eligible for a write-off on the extra cost associated with gluten-free products.  That seems fair to me.  I don't know whatever happened to the idea, though. 
 
 
There's ought to be a "synapse-free" tax.
Oh wait, there is.  The Powerball Lottery 
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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

Why do people of "a certain political persuasion" always think every matter is something the government must get involved in?


Because despite what people of "a certain OTHER political persuasion" would have us believe, the govt is the best option we've got. People are too weak, lazy and stupid to be counted on to do what's best for their health. Much of that is the fault of the companies who produce and market these unhealthy products by making them appear so tempting.

Unfortunately, the resulting health problems suffered by these people, put an economic drain on society by running up huge medical bills that everyone else ends up paying for.

Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

The solution's pretty simple.  Cut down on the sugars you and/or your kids consume.


Great!!! And by the same token, the solution to lung cancer and other respiratory diseases and ailments is pretty simple too.

Stop smoking cigarettes. But do people do that? See above response.

Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

Hey, I see it every day. People will buy an 18oz soda for $1.50 from the Subway at work, rather than walk an extra 30 feet to the vending machines outside the store where they can get a 12oz can for 50 cents.  This tells me that the extra cost doesn't matter to many.


Soda from a can sucks. There's no ice in it and unlike fountain beverages in restaurants like Subway, you can't go back and get as many free refills as you want.

Ergo, your example is invalid.

Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

This also brings me back to my earlier mention.  Buy the artificially-sweetened stuff!  Oh wait.  That's being taxed, too.  This tells me that concern over obesity is just the excuse to gain more tax revenue.


No, the concern is over a myriad of health concerns that artificially sweetened beverages have been scientifically linked to. Something that I have already posted evidence of and sourced earlier in this thread.

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Diet beverages "are filled with artificial sweeteners and chemicals. Do we really want people to drink these?" said nutritionist Mary Story, a professor at Duke University's Global Health Institute. She did say that researchers had not found any proof of harm caused by the products.


There is no "proof" of a lot of things we know to be bad for us. The tobacco companies along with their (well paid) "scientists" and lawyers would have us believe there's no "proven" link between cigarette smoking and respiratory diseases like emphysema and lung cancer, not to mention coronary artery and heart disease.

But do any intelligent people actually believe that? I don't think so.

Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

"Do we really want people to drink these?"  That tells me everything.  It's none of your business, lady!  At least bring up some scientific conclusions before you start determining what I should or should not consume.


Nobody is telling you what you should and should not consume. They are merely performing their duty of informing the public about something that we should know in order to make our own decisions. Some will use that information to decide not to consume certain products. Others will ignore it and consume these products anyway. Those are the people who should be forced to pay extra for their unhealthy choices which are driving up health care costs for everyone else.

(BTW, I consume diet beverages myself)

And honestly, afaic, they should slap another $5 per pack tax on cigarettes, too!!!!
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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

Cure, shmure.  That's not the point of the tax.  Tax is the point of the tax.  Soda is the first step. The goal is probably to start taxing juice, cereal and every other food that might be considered unhealthy.


Aaaaaaaand there it is.

The standard paranoid fear mongering the right always employs when they see something that triggers them.

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Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

Cure, shmure.  That's not the point of the tax.  Tax is the point of the tax.  Soda is the first step. The goal is probably to start taxing juice, cereal and every other food that might be considered unhealthy.


Aaaaaaaand there it is.

The standard paranoid fear mongering the right always employs when they see something that triggers them.

 
Paranoid??  More like realistic.  I see Chicago and Philadelphia are taxing juice, coffee drinks and iced tea already.  Plus, I see that some places have implemented a tax on fatty and salty foods.  One of those places is Berkeley CA, of course---the home of communism, I mean "progressivism".  I'm surprised they haven't actually banned bacon...I mean, for our own good, of course.  LOL
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

Cure, shmure.  That's not the point of the tax.  Tax is the point of the tax.  Soda is the first step. The goal is probably to start taxing juice, cereal and every other food that might be considered unhealthy.


Aaaaaaaand there it is.

The standard paranoid fear mongering the right always employs when they see something that triggers them.


Paranoid??  More like realistic.  I see Chicago and Philadelphia are taxing juice, coffee drinks and iced tea already.  Plus, I see that some places have implemented a tax on fatty and salty foods.  One of those places is Berkeley CA, of course---the home of communism, I mean "progressivism".  I'm surprised they haven't actually banned bacon...I mean, for our own good, of course.  LOL


Well, realistic as it may be, I think the paranoia is in that the right paints it as such a horrible, life altering catastrophe.

AFAIC, they SHOULD tax foods and consumable goods that have a negative effect on human health, with the rate based on the severity of those effects.

Again, health care costs are spiraling out of control and much of it has to do with our modern, unhealthy habits.

It's gotta be paid for somehow, so let those who ruin their health via the consumption of these products contribute to paying those costs.

And I agree that the funds raised should not be used for other purposes like nursery school, but that is something that is happening on a local scale. I'm talking national policy.

Get a nationwide program in place and enforce it equitably across the board in all 50 states.
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I like to eat, drink and smoke all of those nasty things that can cause health problems. I/we also pay for health insurance. I have not made a single claim on our policy.

People trying to manipulate habits via extra taxes doesn't work. And it's dirty politics.
Did I ever mention how much I hate Geico?
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You have insurance but a lot of people don't.

You've been lucky enough to have avoided health problems.

A lot of people haven't.

Unhealthy lifestyles create sick people who need expensive health care.

And often times, the years of premiums paid to an insurance company still don't completely cover all of the costs associated with an individual's illness. So the insurance company actually loss money on that policy holder then has to recoup that loss by raising premiums for everyone.

No matter which way you look at it, consumption of unhealthy food and other products leads to insanely high health care costs for everyone.

Just can't get around that.
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Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

Cure, shmure.  That's not the point of the tax.  Tax is the point of the tax.  Soda is the first step. The goal is probably to start taxing juice, cereal and every other food that might be considered unhealthy.


Aaaaaaaand there it is.

The standard paranoid fear mongering the right always employs when they see something that triggers them.


Paranoid??  More like realistic.  I see Chicago and Philadelphia are taxing juice, coffee drinks and iced tea already.  Plus, I see that some places have implemented a tax on fatty and salty foods.  One of those places is Berkeley CA, of course---the home of communism, I mean "progressivism".  I'm surprised they haven't actually banned bacon...I mean, for our own good, of course.  LOL


Well, realistic as it may be, I think the paranoia is in that the right paints it as such a horrible, life altering catastrophe.

AFAIC, they SHOULD tax foods and consumable goods that have a negative effect on human health, with the rate based on the severity of those effects.

Again, health care costs are spiraling out of control and much of it has to do with our modern, unhealthy habits.

It's gotta be paid for somehow, so let those who ruin their health via the consumption of these products contribute to paying those costs.

And I agree that the funds raised should not be used for other purposes like nursery school, but that is something that is happening on a local scale. I'm talking national policy.

Get a nationwide program in place and enforce it equitably across the board in all 50 states.
The Inquiring Mindless need to know: Did you put out your cigarette before typing all of that?
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And all that will be left untaxed is purified water...nothing else is safe.
It's all getting a little too much for me.
Some folk have skirted 'side effects & life rot' (as aka points out) - but some of us have not. I'm not jealous, no. Thank goodness for great insurance because the 'fixes' are SO DARNED EXPENSIVE! I guess someone has to cover the tabs of the un- and/or under-insured even though I'd rather they only be provided the health services for which they cover with their own self-paid for insurance. 
It just doesn't work that way and so we have to pay more for our own bad habits because of all the leeches. Makes me feel like I am getting to where I don't like a lot of people.
Don't allow what we like and crave that has negative impact? We'll end up finding negative in everything.
 
May as well move to Bogotá and start up an import/export operation.
Coffee, I suppose. White coffee. 'Texas Milk'. 
 
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I haven't smoked a cigarette in years.

I still think that those who consume unhealthy products should pay extra to help offset the cost.

If you use or abuse it, you should pay the freight.

What could be more fair than that?

You guys just want to avoid responsibility and let everyone else pay for the negative health consequences of your own actions.

Booooooo!!!!!
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Originally posted by Jimmy Jimmy wrote:

The reason for the beverage tax in Philly is due to the fact of the tremendous level of obesity within that city. They are similar to the people described on the TV show Parks And Recreation (the folks living in the fictional town of Pawnee, Indiana were supposed to by tremendously overweight). That is an actuality in Philadelphia. The diet for most of the people in that city consists of fried food, (cheese steaks drenched with cheese whiz) soft pretzels, pizza, funnel cake, donuts etc.....and people slurp down massive quantities of fizzy drinks (pop, or soda as they call it), and they don't seem to care a tiny bit about the level of childhood obesity that is rampant around that city.
The amount of beer consumed by those people is staggering to this Brit. They don't even drink good beer either, mostly that piss water garbage (Bud, Miller, Coors, Pabst etc.).
Philadelphia needs to go on a diet!


Ooooo..,if they tax cheesesteaks and soft pretzels, all hell will break loose and this city will burn!! LOL
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Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

I haven't smoked a cigarette in years.

I still think that those who consume unhealthy products should pay extra to help offset the cost.

If you use or abuse it, you should pay the freight.

What could be more fair than that?

You guys just want to avoid responsibility and let everyone else pay for the negative health consequences of your own actions.

Booooooo!!!!!
Well, I can't argue that, but I don't want to pay both ways - taxed on consumption and heightened insurance costs.
I'd rather help influence people to get educated and become responsible for themselves and their own.
In other words, if one fails to graduate from high school by 20, they must be neutered or spayed.
Lack of manners? Loud rap or metal 'entertaining the neighborhood'?
They are to be spayed or neutered and moved to a designated FEMA camp.
Food Stamp Chasers? Those women must be spayed and children taken away because healthy food can't be bought with food stamps.
Ethnic groups that play by only their own rules and don't eat healthy? Neuter, spay, FEMA camp. 
Let's bundle our problems and address at the core.
Trump & Duke should be able to oversee this as Pence leads morning prayer.Wink
 
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Originally posted by ThatNerdInPhilly ThatNerdInPhilly wrote:

Ooooo..,if they tax cheesesteaks and soft pretzels, all hell will break loose and this city will burn!! LOL


Every place except for the cheesesteak joints and soft pretzel stands anyway....

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Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

I haven't smoked a cigarette in years.

I still think that those who consume unhealthy products should pay extra to help offset the cost.

If you use or abuse it, you should pay the freight.

What could be more fair than that?

You guys just want to avoid responsibility and let everyone else pay for the negative health consequences of your own actions.

Booooooo!!!!!

Anything consumed can have negative health consequences if abused even water so let's just tax everything, it's time for everyone to pay the freight don't worry though we've got some PR companies making some fantastic ads with children to make this look like the greatest taxes ever implemented but you might not being seeing them as much as a digital screen tax is going to be put in place to get people outdoors more.
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Originally posted by SalvorHardin SalvorHardin wrote:

Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

I haven't smoked a cigarette in years.

I still think that those who consume unhealthy products should pay extra to help offset the cost.

If you use or abuse it, you should pay the freight.

What could be more fair than that?

You guys just want to avoid responsibility and let everyone else pay for the negative health consequences of your own actions.

Booooooo!!!!!

Anything consumed can have negative health consequences if abused even water so let's just tax everything, it's time for everyone to pay the freight don't worry though we've got some PR companies making some fantastic ads with children to make this look like the greatest taxes ever implemented but you might not being seeing them as much as a digital screen tax is going to be put in place to get people outdoors more.
WinkThat will be selective and really tied to population control & ethnic cleansing efforts, I would suspect. When you start seeing the commercials, watch for 'events and dates'.
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Originally posted by SalvorHardin SalvorHardin wrote:

Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

I haven't smoked a cigarette in years.

I still think that those who consume unhealthy products should pay extra to help offset the cost.

If you use or abuse it, you should pay the freight.

What could be more fair than that?

You guys just want to avoid responsibility and let everyone else pay for the negative health consequences of your own actions.

Booooooo!!!!!


Anything consumed can have negative health consequences if abused even water so let's just tax everything, it's time for everyone to pay the freight don't worry though we've got some PR companies making some fantastic ads with children to make this look like the greatest taxes ever implemented but you might not being seeing them as much as a digital screen tax is going to be put in place to get people outdoors more.


And anyone can make absurd predictions in place of rational arguments.


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I hate that nanny-state sh*t!

Just let the Philadelphians do this instead...


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