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    Posted: 18 May 2009 at 11:41am
Have you noticed inappropriatly-paranoid or sensationalistic behavior by the general public? Share it here. I will start with a topic I saw on the news here about a teacher "poisoned" with a "toxic drug" by students in a typical high-school prank:

A teacher had her morning coffee spiked with "Syrup of Ipecac" to make her ill. Some of you may have heard this story by now. The students involved were expelled from school and charged with "attempted poisoning"

First of all, "Syrup of Ipecac" is not a poison, it is a toxin as seen by the stomach, and used as an emetic for no less than 50 years to induce vomiting in the event of poisoning. It has little to no harmful effect as it's ingestion almost immediately induces the stomach to purge in it's entirety to remove the alleged "toxin". The news media went apesh*t, calling it everything in the book, and the school expelled (not suspended, expelled) the students involved as if they spiked the coffee with arsenic. The state treated them as if they were attempting murder. The teacher transferred to another school.

It was a simple prank, and nothing more, but everyone made it out to be as if it was a terroristic plot, replete with conspiracies and collusion and all the major allegations of the 9/11 attacks. Will we ever be the "home of the free, or land of the brave" again? Next thing you know, somebody will be accused of "attempted murder of a police officer" for putting weed in his cheeseburger.....oh wait....too late!
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That strikes me as a bit more than a prank.  (?)

I see your point about sensationalism, though; sometimes referred to as "slow news" when the reports grasp at any opportunity to make more of a story than it merits, then the public reacts as they are directed to.

Off the top of my head, I can't think of any good examples.

Maybe: when the dad was reported for riding the subway with his daughter, and someone thought he'd abducted her?
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I guess it depends on the intent of the students.  If they were good kids and they liked the teacher, it was just a reeeally stupid prank.  If they were troublemakers/bad students, and thought they could harm the teacher, I don't care what happens to them.
 
When Grace Slick got invited to Tricia Nixon's grad party (or something) at the White House, she showed up with Abby Hoffman and some LSD that she was going to use to spike Richard Nixon's drink.  They, however, were turned away at the door.
 
 
As far as news coverage of sensational events, there's one video/news item out there right now, of a cop kicking a criminal in the head.  The criminal had lead the cops on a chase through residential areas, and then tried to flee on foot.  Eventually, he was trapped in a backyard or something,and was lying down in the prone position when the cop gave him one good kick to the head. 
 
Once again, the guy was a criminal to begin with, put a lot of people in danger, had already hit some vehicles...so, I just don't care that a cop kicked him in the head.  He asked for it, and he got it.  He should've gotten a few more to the head, one to the face, and a few to the groin. 
 
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I have no idea how people could defend students who do this to their teacher.  She goes to school probably has to teach a bunch of ignint morons all day and put up with their crap.  Perhaps she actually cares about her students and wants to give them an education and they repay her by making her sick.  This is pretty disgusting if you ask me and I'm glad the student/students got thrown out on their ass.

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I remember hearing a similar story in the '60s--except it was, like Thor's story, acid in her drink. 

I cannot imagine the terror of tripping out and not knowing what is going on, or why.  People who do that are not funny.  They don't think of the consequences.  I guess that's because they're still teenagers, whose minds haven't fully formed yet.

But I did wonder about one thing:  at the time, I don't recall any of my teachers EVER having a drink in the classroom.  I know they do now, but when I was growing up?  Never.  Maybe it was just a regional thing, but you got into a lot of trouble if you got caught chewing gum.  So there was never food or drink in the classroom.


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There was one teacher in some town in southern Colorado about 12 or so years ago that had her drink actually poisoned by a student that she was failing. She had took a drink while in the teacher's lounge and then a minute or two later was going into convulsions. Turns out the student dumped a bunch of household cleaners in to try to kill her. Luckily, the jerk was unsuccessful.
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Originally posted by Yutolia Yutolia wrote:

There was one teacher in some town in southern Colorado about 12 or so years ago that had her drink actually poisoned by a student that she was failing. She had took a drink while in the teacher's lounge and then a minute or two later was going into convulsions. Turns out the student dumped a bunch of household cleaners in to try to kill her. Luckily, the jerk was unsuccessful.


See? now THAT would be a reason to have the reaction that was made. Were that incident the situation, I would have no sympathy or even care to look into it further. This would be an intentional poisoning, because the intent would be clear by what was used. The media and everyone treated the incident as if it was the incident Yutolia mentioned. I'd think that only then would this reaction be justified.
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Let me add another situation blown out of proportion:

Air Force One flown over the Statue of Liberty. People panicked as if it was 9/11 all over again. How long will it take for people to get over this? Yes, it happened....but if you participate in this fear, then you hand victory to the terrorists, because they have done to you what they aimed to do to the whole country. It's not like the entire state of NY was on those planes, and somehow survived. I agree it was a traumatic incident, but it's been almost 8 years now.....get over it! By living in the constant fear that certain news networks want you to live in forever simply to get ratings from you, you proclaim victory for Al-Queda over the nation by living in a constant state of fear. Memorials, sure, but still living in fear of a repeat incident? Ridiculously-paranoid and weak-minded drawl from watching too much of the "fear networks".

It was time to move on more than 5 years ago, what's been keeping you all who seem to choose to remain in the moment? You will never recover until you learn to go on with your life, stop living in the past and capitalizing on it. Move forward, and stop assuming that just because you see a 747 flying around that it's a repeat of 9/11.

C'mon people...really? Let it go, it's not going to happen again. Chill the F**k out!
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Those kids deserved harsh punishment, but not quite the level of criminal charges leveled against them. Of course, those are just "charges", & they likely won't stick, or will be plea bargained down.
 
I think that's the way the cops "play the game" nowadays. They throw every charge in the book at the perp knowing that they'll get reduced in court. It's like when a plaintiff in a civil lawsuit sues for millions knowing that they'll wind up with much less. If you start out with a high figure to begin with, the ending figure will be higher than if you started with a low figure.
 
Same concept with criminal charges. Start out high, end up with something less.
 
But I agree with the notion of knee-jerk, over reactions being more common nowadays.
 
The thing about how it all relates to kids that bugs me, is that they molly-coddle them & treat them with kid gloves for the minor offenses they commit, or the chronic misbehavior in school, which gives them the idea they can get away with murder. Then, when they commit some more serious crime, they're treated like hardened criminals, get marched away in handcuffs & thrown in jail.
 
Why the hell didn't you adequately deal with their behavior issues before it ever got that far, you friggin idiots???????? 
 
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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

As far as news coverage of sensational events, there's one video/news item out there right now, of a cop kicking a criminal in the head.  The criminal had lead the cops on a chase through residential areas, and then tried to flee on foot.  Eventually, he was trapped in a backyard or something,and was lying down in the prone position when the cop gave him one good kick to the head
 
Once again, the guy was a criminal to begin with, put a lot of people in danger, had already hit some vehicles...so, I just don't care that a cop kicked him in the head.  He asked for it, and he got it.  He should've gotten a few more to the head, one to the face, and a few to the groin. 
 
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Yeah, that's just what we need here in Amerika, Thor.... thugs for police who have carte blanche  to commit any abuse they feel like. And of course, this would "never" lead to a culture in which the abuse of a guy like the one you're talking about would eventually start to bleed over into their treatment of the rest of us.
 
Yessirreee...... just allow the people who possess the power to detain & arrest people to abuse that power any way they see fit. Remove any & all standards & expectations of professionalism from their jobs.
 
What a much more wonderful country this would be. Wacko
 
 
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Sorry, Jimbo, there's just more important things than what a cop does to some piece of crap.  Yes, I understand that this sort of thing may not be legal and that the police should not "have carte blanche" blah blah blah...but hell, this criminal had done some pretty bad stuff, so I feel no sympathy for him.  I'm just not particularly worried when the occasional cop gives some lowlife a little kick to the head.  The guy asked for it.  It's not as if the cop just targeted some random individual so that he could kick him in the head.
 
 
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Having no sympathy for him is one thing, but I find it incomprehensible that someone could actually condone the widespread practice of unchecked police bruatality.
 
Once they're allowed to get away with it in one situation, the door is wide open for them to get away with it in every situation.
 
The first time you got pulled over for a minor traffic infraction & the cop yanked you out of your car & beat the sh*t out of you on the side of the road just because he didn't like something about you, & because he knew he could get away with it, you'd be crying like a baby.
 
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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

I'm just not particularly worried when the occasional cop gives some lowlife a little kick to the head.  The guy asked for it.  It's not as if the cop just targeted some random individual so that he could kick him in the head.
 
And what do you think stops them from doing just that?????
 
The fact that they're nice guys?????
 
It's because they know they'll get their asses in deep sh*t if they do that keeps them from targeting some random individual as you said.
 
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Originally posted by Prometheus Prometheus wrote:

Let me add another situation blown out of proportion:

Air Force One flown over the Statue of Liberty. People panicked as if it was 9/11 all over again. How long will it take for people to get over this? Yes, it happened....but if you participate in this fear, then you hand victory to the terrorists, because they have done to you what they aimed to do to the whole country. It's not like the entire state of NY was on those planes, and somehow survived. I agree it was a traumatic incident, but it's been almost 8 years now.....get over it! By living in the constant fear that certain news networks want you to live in forever simply to get ratings from you, you proclaim victory for Al-Queda over the nation by living in a constant state of fear. Memorials, sure, but still living in fear of a repeat incident? Ridiculously-paranoid and weak-minded drawl from watching too much of the "fear networks".

It was time to move on more than 5 years ago, what's been keeping you all who seem to choose to remain in the moment? You will never recover until you learn to go on with your life, stop living in the past and capitalizing on it. Move forward, and stop assuming that just because you see a 747 flying around that it's a repeat of 9/11.

C'mon people...really? Let it go, it's not going to happen again. Chill the F**k out!


Sorry, Prometheus, but unless you were there, you have no right to expect thousands of people to just "get over it."  And those are just the people who were there on 9/11.  It's called PTSD.  I'm sure you'll tell us all about it, and why you know better than the doctors and researchers and psychiatrists/psychologists who deal with that every day.  But you just have no right to tell people to get past something that terrifies them.

That stunt was an absolutely STUPID thing to do.  There was no need to fly that low over New York; someone could have simply inserted the picture of the plane, or of the Statue of Liberty, into the photo.  (It was a colossal waste of money as well, but that's another story.) 

I find that people here, on the West Coast, dismiss 9/11 much more easily because they weren't anywhere close in proximity, so it was just a bad action movie to a lot of people.  But those who lived there at the time, or who grew up there and know the places well, have a much different take on the reality of it.  I've been in those buildings.  And I lived across the river and could see the towers every morning when I worked in North Jersey.  They were a beacon.  When I watched them fall, it was unreal.  It took years before I could really grasp the fact that they went down, even when I visited Ground Zero.  It's just unreal.

Talk to people here on CIH who were there, like Jimmy, and tell him that he should be over what happened.  Everyone experienced it differently; there are a million different stories.  Who are you to tell anyone who experienced anything different from you to "get over it"?


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Yeah, that Air Force One stunt was absolutely, unfathomably brain-dead stupid.
 
I mean.... I would've known better than to pull something like that without giving everyone plenty of advance notice.
 
And I'm no genius.
 
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Geee and I thought we were bad for leaving our 6th grade teacher a bag prunes..the class hated this old dame so much.  She didn't bother me....but you know how the rowdy and jet setter kids are...everything has to go their way.  I know my g/f brought to our 7th grade teacher's class a spray can of Bullsh*t spray...from a joke store....we were pretty tame way back when...lmao.
 
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When I was in high school, Honda(?) used to make these tiny little cars. The wrestling coach at our school drove one. As a prank, about four big giant football players who were also on the wrestling team got together & picked up his little car & squeezed it end to end between two palm trees. He couldn't go forward or backwards more than a couple of inches.
 
I suppose they were all hiding & watching when he went to get in his car & go home, & after awhile, came out & moved it for him. I don't know, because I wasn't there, but the story was legend.
 
I bet nowadays, they'd all have been expelled from school, arrested & charged with several crimes.
 
Just a couple of weeks ago right near here, some kids broke into the portable classrooms at a local high school & somehow managed to get all the student desks neatly arranged up on the roofs of the buildings.
 
Pretty damn funny if you ask me, but as expected, the school didn't see it that way.
 
 
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Oh yeah I remember those little Matchbox cars from Honda...I was backing up in the High School parking lot with my 72 Duster and rammed into one of them...he was coming down the lane the wrong way....did no damage to my steel bumper but squashed a bit of his.  I remember in high school as well folks picking up the small cars like that and moving them as well.  Oh yes big high school senior stunt...to get the tables and stack them up.  The class before our graduating class took the lunch tables and stacked them up like a pyramid on top of a 2 story building and then stole the Bob's Big Boy and placed him on top...that was legendary as well.  I believe a shot of it was in the yearbook.  After that Bob's and Jack in the Box chained down their stuff...ha ha ha....(there was a furniture store in the neighborhood that had a giant wooden rocking chair on top of their building..well one year the seniors swiped that and used that to go on top for their centerpiece...ah ha ha ha ha good funLOL)

 
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Originally posted by Prometheus Prometheus wrote:


Let me add another situation blown out of proportion:Air Force One flown over the Statue of Liberty. People panicked as if it was 9/11 all over again. How long will it take for people to get over this?

All I can say is, it must have been very different for people living there than for those of us who just watched it on TV. And the fly-over was absolutely retarded.
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When I was in high school, I was in "Key Club", a junior version of the Kiwanas. 

We met after school.  One night,  we took all of the bell covers and hid them on the roof.

The next morning, as the bells "rang", there was no noise and no one knew what to do or when.

I think several officers were reprimanded.
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Originally posted by Hootman Hootman wrote:

When I was in high school, I was in "Key Club", a junior version of the Kiwanas. 

We met after school.  One night,  we took all of the bell covers and hid them on the roof.

The next morning, as the bells "rang", there was no noise and no one knew what to do or when.

I think several officers were reprimanded.
 
Now, that's funny. LOL
 
Recently in a school around here, someone did the old "shooting-Liquid-Nails-in-all-the door-locks" trick.
 
They had to drill out the locks on all the doors so everyone could get in, then replace them.
 
Cost quite a bit of money in parts & man hours not to mention lost class time.
 
 
 
 
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I think the worst school prank my friends & I ever pulled was one Sunday we were hanging around at this girl's house with nothing to do, so we got the idea to make some prank calls. Amazingly, the phone numbers of boy's dean & an Assistant Principle were both listed.
 
So the girl dialed up each number, & in the Dean's case, his wife answered, so she very sweetly & politely asked if she could speak to him. When he got on the line, she held the phone up & the rest of us, sitting around the dining room table yelled out "BUSTER RICE SUCKS!!!!" as loud as we could.
 
Then we did the same thing to the Asst. Principle, who's name I forget.
 
One of the guys who was with us told us he walked past them standing together in the hallway the next day & overheard them talking about it.  
 
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Originally posted by FaithSF FaithSF wrote:

There is no timetable on trauma or grief.  Just because you say so doesn't make it so.


Okay, I'll give you that one Faith, but I've seen worse in my life than 9/11...perhaps 250+ people dying in an instant just doesn't affect me as much as it may some people, I admit to being a bit jaded. The issue I have is that these people who didn't *just* escape the building-collapse, or weren't the ones who managed to survive it, don't really have as much trauma as those that did just barely survive it. I can understand the effect of the fly-by on those who barely made it out with their lives, but all of NYC wasn't an immediate-survivor of 9/11....it is THOSE people that I say to "get over it". I don't think the majority of the population of NYC had any real PTSD from 9/11 like being dug from the rubble after 4 days, but instead reacted out of the same paranoia that handed victory to Bin-Laden and Faux News.

Those who were 2 miles away have no real sense of PTSD at all, as they were not there. I'm not implying anyone, but there are people in the midwest trying to claim PTSD from 9/11 as if they were dug-out from the rubble. I may be different from some when I have had episodes of PTSD from car accidents (which wasn't the worst I have seen), but I eventually did get over it, because through immersing myself in the same circumstances that led up to it, and seeing that the circumstance was an anomaly, not a constant, was I able to break the cycle.

No disrespect to those who were the real victims of trauma on that day, but too many who really did not experience something REAL with that, I have no sympathy for. Suddenly we cannot carry more than 2oz. of any fluids on a plane, like we are gonna mix Prell and Tabasco to make a thermo-nuclear weapon? Sorry, I would laugh at anyone trying to hijack a plane with boxcutters, but maybe that's just me.

I will add that it may seem insensitive for me to say "get over it", but there were very few survivors who have the excuse for PTSD, and for the most part, people really need to put this behind them because reliving the moment will not help them move forward. Yes, it was pretty bad, but until we let such things go, we cannot move on, and we all should move on. I'm not saying we should forget or forgive, but that was a long time ago now. It's long-since time that we should be moving on from this and look ahead instead of looking back and living in the past. What's done is done, and we cannot change that. Now let us look forward to make sure this does not happen again, instead of looking back at it as if it will automatically happen again. If we write our future based on our past, we are doomed to make the same mistakes again as we continue to live a life that revolves around that event that psychologically-imprisons us because we allow it to. Life moves forwards, and so we should without letting this dominate our lives and every decision we make.

Maybe the stunt was a little inappropriate, but the public reaction to it was far more inappropriately-fearful. If it was "too soon" for NYC, then New-Yorkers aren't as tough as they make themselves out to be. That's just the way I see it.
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