Focus on the Family - Tim Tebow

Moochamoocha wrote: Thor wrote: Feminists are "NOW" pissed-off over the violence in this commercial.  They say that Tim tackling his mother promotes violence against women.   from Terry O'Neill, president of NOW:   "I am blown away at the celebration of the violence against women in it. That's what comes across to me even more strongly than the anti-abortion message. I myself am a survivor of domestic violence, and I don't find it charming. I think CBS should be ashamed of itself." http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-tebow-abortion8-2010feb08,0,1153376.story?track=rss   No statement issued about the violence against Betty White in her commercial.      It's not the violence they're really complaining about. You KNOW they wanted to complain about the whole abortion issue, stating that it's a woman's right to choose, blah blah blah. Well, Mrs. Tebow chose to have her baby instead of kill it...doesn't that constitute as a woman's right to choose?

Good point well said.

Thor wrote: Well, supposedly the Bible refers to the unborn as humans and "children".  And combined with "Thou shalt not kill", I can't see how a minister or priest or rabbi could put forth the pro-choice sentiment.  Otherwise, from what I understand, the Bible doesn't say anything about abortion per sé.  The only pro-choice argument I've ever heard from the standpoint of the Bible is that God gives us free will.  But that argument doesn't mean he approves.  We have the free will to do all sorts of things---it doesn't mean it's all OK.   So, from a religious or Biblical standpoint, I don't see how abortion could be considered OK.

 

Jimbo wrote: Thor wrote: Well, supposedly the Bible refers to the unborn as humans and "children".  And combined with "Thou shalt not kill", I can't see how a minister or priest or rabbi could put forth the pro-choice sentiment.  Otherwise, from what I understand, the Bible doesn't say anything about abortion per sé.  The only pro-choice argument I've ever heard from the standpoint of the Bible is that God gives us free will.  But that argument doesn't mean he approves.  We have the free will to do all sorts of things---it doesn't mean it's all OK.   So, from a religious or Biblical standpoint, I don't see how abortion could be considered OK.           I thought you just said in your other post that "Thou shalt not kill" only applies to murder.

Oh wait...I think I get your point, Jimbo.  Nevertheless, you'd have to do research on the translation of the original Hebrew text.  Supposedly, "Thou shalt not kill" really means "Thou shalt not murder".

I agree with Jimbo he GETS it. 

Jimbo wrote: Thor wrote: Oh wait...I think I get your point, Jimbo.  Nevertheless, you'd have to do research on the translation of the original Hebrew text.  Supposedly, "Thou shalt not kill" really means "Thou shalt not murder".   Show me where in the New Testament Jesus admonished his followers something along the lines of.... "If thou art assaulted by thine enemy, counter thine enemy's assault with a swift kick to the balls followed up with a left uppercut then a right cross to the temple. This should knocketh his ass out sufficiently. If thine enemy tries to slay thou, popeth a cap in his ass with thine nine."

Ugh. I hate arguing about abortion. I find myself in between pro-life and pro-choice but mostly I'm pro why not prevent abortion with decent sex education, even if it means having to give out condoms and teach something besides abstinence, which is not to say that you can't teach abstinence, it's just that telling teens and adults alike not to have sex is like herding cats and making them run an obstacle course. Ain't going to happen.
But I don't really CARE as much about fetuses as I do about children who are already born. I hate focus on the family because how can you go on and on about abortion and be for raising children using techniques that are not only outmoded but borderline abusive? I despise that hypocritical organization.

Jimbo wrote: I think abstinence should be taught as PART OF a larger program which would also include birth control & STD protection.   It should be an all encompassing program with an emphasis on abstinence.   IMO.

Yeah, teens are too young to have sex anyway. I wasn't even thinking about that at that age.
But I was a strange kid. Folks just tend to be so... cagey about something that is natural and healthy. It's kind of depressing.

Hey ladies!  Jesus said that if you're about to be raped, just lay back and take it.

Thor wrote: As usual, you grossly oversimplify, taking the pop version of "Turn the other cheek".   Look at the interpretations of "Turn the other cheek".  From the "goofy right-wing website" known as Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_the_other_cheek   Do you really think that Jesus believed we should allow ourselves to be overtaken by evil??  I highly doubt it.

No, but it probably means not running around making the situation even worse. Even Jesus cracked the whip on folks desecrating the house  God, but he had a good reason for that.
He did, however, without malice or hatred, endured and suffered under the Romans.
So maybe it's more about not having malice and hatred? Knowing when to crack that whip and when to just turn the other cheek instead, but I say turn the cheek more than crack the whip on other people's cheeks.

But it does help to not go around plucking out people's eyes.

Lest no one has any eyes and that would not be fun. It would make the internet less entertaining...

I lean a bit towards buddhism.

No. I'm just saying that it's not as simple and clearcut as you've been led to believe.  As I said, it's in the translation.