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    Posted: 17 Dec 2016 at 11:15pm
I hate the Education Connection song/dance commercials. Something just ain't right about these spots, but I can't put my finger on it!
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I have long despised their commercials, but I live in the 'real world', too.
Compared to 20 years ago, hiring capable/skilled/trustworthy labor has become an almost impossible challenge.
DisapproveIt's not the same as when *we* were growing up.
We live in the days when fewer children are graduating from high school until, in the case of females, *after* the first few foodstamps children without last names, and in the case of males, not until they're paroled and off paper. In either case, high school grads, or GED and a week of 'college'? Somewhere around 24 and 27, half spaced-out and covered with their scars from the Great Crayola War.
 
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I actually recovered my password just to comment.

These "programs" are just shills. As a Financial Aid Professional, with two Masters, I can assure you...any college that advertises on TV / Radio, RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN AWAY FROM THEM. THEY ARE TOTAL BULLsh*t (including the most grievous, SNHU). TOTAL BULLsh*t.

Major players now: UPhoenix, SNHU, "GRAND CANYON" U, any for profit. They have ONE goal: get you enrolled, get your Financial Aid, deliver substandard product, leave you with the bag.

I am the midst of my SECOND undercover investigation of the "Best" of these programs. They are UTTER sh*t. Example: my last course (a supposed "graduate" course) offered, as a text, "___ FOR DUMMIES". The "Professor" offered nonexistent "feedback": "Good Job!!" was the most often comment on utterly ZERO level work. These programs are UTTER sh*t.

It is a complete BOONDOGGLE nowadays. It is a TRAVESTY. And, God Willing, I will publish my investigation (now in its THIRD year) exposing the absolute criminality of these charlatans. Wish me luck! Seeing as how I am aiming to expose the CRIMINALITY behind this TRILLION dollar scam being foisted upon us taxpayers, expect me to be "suicided" as soon as my findings are published.

 The sh*tload of fraud being perpetrated under the auspices of the U.S. Department of Education is absolutely mind-boggling. See you on the flip side. Hellen.


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ErmmHellen...a few thoughts - and I direct to YOU because you call the folks out even harder than I do, then mention you are investigating them.
Now, here's the thing:
Right or wrong, good or bad - I DO have to admit those in these half-baked programs are better off than what they might otherwise be doing within the same period of time.
Now, yes indeed, let's call a spade for what it is - but, for those in the programs, unless we call out a better option without inflicting additional cost, how can we possibly be doing them any good?
No, I don't like the fact *I* don't have any idea or answer for this crap, either - but we need to come up with an answer before killing the problem.
 
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Thanks, Pa, for your comments. I think we would both agree, that this is complex problem. I would respectfully disagree with your assertion that "those in these half-baked programs are better off than what they might otherwise be doing within the same period of time." That is an assertion that has been relied upon year after year by the charlatans who are running these programs, and it is a selling point to those who don't know any better: "You're better off doing this!!!"

Problem is, that those very people you speak of ARE NOT being left "better off" for it. In fact, it can be shown via empirical evidence that most who have been hoodwinked ARE WORSE OFF for falling for these scams.

Answer: cut off the spigot to the charlatans, and you'll see these programs dry up practically over night. Enforce tighter restrictions toward gaining access to Federal funds that only serve to enrich the owners of these "universities" that teach nothing beyond the high school level.

There are moves being made to reign in these "programs" but they are too long-winded, allowing them to "rob the bank" long before they reach the cutoff. It is absolute BULLsh*t that these characters are allowed to make off with BILLIONS in their pockets, with practically ZERO results.

I speak from 20+ years experience in the industry. It is RIFE with fraud.
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Hellen, you are dead-on correct about these  programs and how they prey on those who have a desire to better themselves.
Conventional colleges, universities, community colleges, branch campuses, etc. are the legitimate go-to places for improving one's education. Not the fly-by-night quick-fixes offered by these TV commercials. Education is a journey, not a weekend project.
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Hellen and T...consider the 'target market'. Sometimes the benefit of the crime outweighs the negative impact of the crime.
Killing the problem is ALWAYS worse if it leaves you with *nothing*. Keep those idle hands and minds busy doing anything aside what they probably will fall into, especially in 'da hood. Again, you need to live in the lower-class areas where this silliness thrives before YOU decide what good YOU believe you are doing. Let me put it this way - YOU need to have a gun in your face, or a whore at your place, or drugs in your veins, you with so much idle time and no hope - have YOU ever 'been there'? Or maybe not because your time is taken up with EdConn and some hopes (especially if there is no work outside). *I* can say this because I have walked in those shoes for YEARS - my wife was a very brutal cop and used to take me out to live 'real life' now and then - I was always interested and I met a LOT of people at the 'lower rungs' of this certain gent's 'Hierarchy of Needs'...

Abraham Maslow.jpg

...and it is pretty amazing how people justify their methods of survival and what they will do.  Have either of you sat down and just chatted with the likes? *I* would say likely not - and I would not suggest you go try and find out for yourself (your kindness will be taken as weakness), but DO understand - it is best keeping someone busy for a bit until you have your other better option for them available.

 
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Theo, you wrote, "they prey on those who have a desire to better themselves" and that is the criminality underlying. Those who have a sincere desire to do that, should be able to be afforded that opportunity, with the confidence that they can do that, within well-structured programs that are not constructed around enrichment of shareholders. Call me a socialist or whatever, but the US education is BROKEN beyond belief, and needs to be reworked along the lines of, say, Germany, Sweden, Norway. Profiteering from so-called "education" in the US needs to end. But, the profiteers in charge will fight tooth and nail to keep enriching themselves. Truly sad, that these profiteers are allowed to screw over every fish they can catch. They have no interest in education--only cash in their pockets.
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So, just wondering...
Is the Trump University thing included here?
And if so, would it be a "travesty" or a "boondoggle", or something else? 
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Pa, I know your likes. Yes, I've been there. I have been all those places you think I haven't. I have no interest in trying to change your mind. You obviously have some die hard ideologies entrenched in your thinking, that I will never sway. So let's agree to disagree, and leave it at that. I like your funny picture. Yes, I've sat down, probably more than you, but it is useless for us to argue when it is so obvious that we are so firmly placed at two ends of opposing spectrums. I've lived long enough to know when to not get into the mud. Cheers! =H=
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Trump University is a very very very small slice of the pie. Think more along the lines of the "university" headed by a certain retired Marine Colonel, who now rakes in millions in yearly salary, from preying upon the military and the public. American "Public" University, one of the "BIG most FRAUDULENT 15" most fraudulent, who escapes scrutiny b/c of that retired Marine Colonel's standing. What a f**king sham. I worked there for five months. Total f**king Sham. You think Trump U is bad?? I laugh. You don't know sh*t.
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First, Hellen - you don't know me from shinola. Skip the condescending bullsh*t and, well, 'the funny picture' would be Abraham Maslow. Maybe take a peek at who he was and what he was about. After that, factor in what I was saying and maybe you might understand my stance a little better - but you don't need to. Keep your inner strength and believe in yourself - why consider others?
 
Now, aside from the 'agree to disagree' silliness, I DID want to commend you on pointing out the below, which is SO VERY TRUE. Also, if parents, or college-ready children are willing, they MAY find they can be schooled in the countries you mention *cheaper and better* than at home - and it isn't that hard to get into foreign schools.
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Originally posted by Hellen Hellen wrote:

...Call me a socialist or whatever, but the US education is BROKEN beyond belief, and needs to be reworked along the lines of, say, Germany, Sweden, Norway. Profiteering from so-called "education" in the US needs to end. 
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Good for you. With that type of education, I would expect you to go beyond posting "memes" of funny pictures without any context, that obviously serve only to distract. Perhaps you could explain the relevance of the picture? I don't see any relevance, and I certainly don't do others' research for them. For me, I had to suffer through two MAs: one, Law, the other, English.

At any rate, I think I've made my points clearly enough, so I leave them now with you to digest. Cheers! Merry Christmas, and Happy Holidays! =H=


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Hey, that's nice! Now factor in a little math and a bunch of psych, and maybe, just maybe if you humble yourself a bit, you may just make it through this life.
Provide positive support and properly enable others and the world becomes magical. Me? I've been at it for a bit, myself and that has always worked.
Again, the photo was of Dr. Abraham Maslow, author of 'Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs' (think 'psych'). I CAN go into explaining it and its relevance, or *assume* you are well aware of it and how it applies, or if you weren't, at least with a name, you might 'get curious', other than that, I will not - this is just a fun board with nice people and simple subjects.
I'll skip derogetory comments - they would belong in 'The Flame Room'.
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