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Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

I think I'm gonna get a laser pointer for my new kitty.

I think he'd have a ball with one of those things.

Old Squirrelly Girly might just look at it & yawn.



What's your cat status these days?  I thought you just had the stray that you were trying to lure inside.


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Dogs were given jowls for a reason LOL







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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

I think I'm gonna get a laser pointer for my new kitty.

I think he'd have a ball with one of those things.

Old Squirrelly Girly might just look at it & yawn.


What's your cat status these days?  I thought you just had the stray that you were trying to lure inside.


Oh, he's in here hangin' out with us now.

He started coming inside a couple of months ago just to eat then I'd let him back out. That went on for a few weeks then just after labor day, I went to visit my mom & stayed overnight.

I didn't want to leave a bunch of food outside for him because it would either get covered in ants or some other animal would come by & eat it, so I brought him in for the two days.

When I got back, I let him out again, but started keeping him inside overnight. Eventually it got to the point where I'd let him out & after a couple of minutes, he wanted to come back in.

Obviously, he wants to be near where the food happens.

So overall, he's doing pretty good. Has his own litter box in the bathroom & uses it. Except this morning I found a wet strip on the carpet in the other room. Kinda put his nose down there & gave him a little tap across the snoot then sprayed the spot. Gonna wet vac it later.

The only real issue is that, for now anyway, I have to keep all my windows closed, because when he does decide he wants to go out, rather than go sit by the back door & meow, he just pushes the screens out with his nose.

But he's a sweet little fellah.



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Glad to hear it.  I guess he gets along with the other cat.

Are you sure the wet spot was piss?  Was there any grass in the spot?  I occasionally find (step in) wet spots on my carpet.  When I inspect more closely, there'll be a few blades of grass in it.  Cats will eat grass, and then throw it up.  Somehow, it aids in their digestion.


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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

Glad to hear it.  I guess he gets along with the other cat.

I wouldn't call it getting along so much as mutually coexisting. She does NOT like him. Or at least him being in HER house.

If he gets within about 2 or 3 feet of her, I hear the hiss.

Quote Are you sure the wet spot was piss?  Was there any grass in the spot?  I occasionally find (step in) wet spots on my carpet.  When I inspect more closely, there'll be a few blades of grass in it.  Cats will eat grass, and then throw it up.  Somehow, it aids in their digestion.

No, it's piss. I could tell by the shape. Long & narrow. Like it came out in a stream.

I know all about the grass/puke thing though. Seen it many, many-a time.


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As long as it doesn't go beyond hissing.  Mal always hissed at Sneakers.  Sneakers never hissed back.  Sneakers always found Mal amusing.  They never got into any actual fight.

My 3 originals---Mal, Mickey and Killer---never once hissed at each other.


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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

As long as it doesn't go beyond hissing.  Mal always hissed at Sneakers.  Sneakers never hissed back.  Sneakers always found Mal amusing. They never got into any actual fight.


He used to hiss at her too at first, but he's gotten over it. She hasn't & likely never will. But because they're male & female, they won't actually fight. Males only fight with other males & females don't fight at all, except for self defense. They've slapped at each other once or twice, but that's about it. Mainly they just stay away from each other.

Buddy used to romp around with her & got her to be playful once in awhile, but he was the king of the house & wasn't on the defensive for being the new guy, as he was here before she was.

Quote My 3 originals---Mal, Mickey and Killer---never once hissed at each other.


Because they were all brothers who had nursed at the same teats with each other.

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Originally posted by insanity213 insanity213 wrote:

Dogs were given jowls for a reason LOL






That'd be a good commercial for doggy dental treats.  His teeth are pretty white.


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^^ Good point LOL

That clip set to maybe Edgar Winter Group's "Free Ride" would work great Thumbs Up
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Here's one of a little pup experiencing a 'meltdown'....but I think either the 'potty patch' really bothered it, or maybe there's something else involved (listen for some background noise that may cause you to remember 'The Thing', or 'Alien') where the pup is 'possessed'...
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This is somewhat my situation now.  Resident cat Chloe, almost 6 years old now, a tortoiseshell DSH is my little night elf, filled with magic, and is as sweet and good natured as can be.  Three months ago:  enter foster cat, 12-year-old Russian Blue girl named Zinger.  Unknown history before her 2 1/2 months in a shelter.  Zinger was not happy about sharing new quarters with Chloe.  Hissing and growling ensued.  Lashing out with her paws, almost beating like a drummer with them, but no physical contact or biting.  Chloe doesn't understand and doesn't want to give up.  Zinger has calmed down a lot, after Bach's Flowers Rescue Remedy for Pets, a cat calming collar, and other Bach's homeopathic drops which are too expensive and didn't really work.  Also some Cat Attract litter.

Zinger has litter box issues.  She likes to poop on the carpet near the front door.  She occasionally pees in the bathroom on the rug.  She misses her spot in the litter box frequently, but tries.  I have three boxes available, clean and scooped at all times, and she still does this.

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This was in my daily email for Animal Rescue for the story of the day.  It's kind of appropriate to Jimbo's kitty tale:

I am orange kitty.

I had a home..well, what you might call a home. My owners live there. I have been on my own finding food and shelter for many years. I had fleas and ticks all over me. My owners didn't care. They didn't care that I was left alone in freezing weather. I lost part of my ear because of you.

I came across a house one day. A house where I saw other, happy cats in the window lounging on a cat condo. I sat on the other side of the glass looking in thinking, ”I have a dream.  Why can't I too have that?" Just then, a human came out of the house. I have a hard time trusting humans. After all, it was humans who left me alone to fend for myself. I keep my distance from the fat, happy one who wants to pet me. Her voice is very soothing. She reaches out calmly with her hand. She gives me cream and kibble to fill my empty stomach. She reaches out to me to fill my empty heart. She worries if I don't come by everyday. She really cares about me. I really didn't know what it feels like to be loved.

To my previous owners, you lost a wonderful cat. You didn't think I was worth your time, care or money. Someone else thinks I am.

I have a new "family." I am safe, cared for and loved.

I am orange kitty...hear me roar.
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^^ Love that perspective, I've always wondered what strays and abandoned pets' thoughts are once they're re homed and in a better healthier environment.  Cats don't always overtly show gratitude the way dogs do, but you can see it in their body language and overall demeanor.
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I think that's what we'd like to think that cats think, but I'm not so sure how appreciative cats are.  Dogs, yes.  Cats, I don't know.  The woman who wrote that should just feel good about what she knows she did for "orange kitty" even if orange kitty himself just takes it all for granted.  If the cat bonds with her, she can probably assume that the cat's happy---and that's what's most important.

I've never had litter box problems with my cats.  Mine have full 24-hour in-out access, thanks to the cat door, and have always done their business outdoors.  I haven't even seen my cats crap for years. They go to other people's property for that.   The exceptions were when they were kittens and when Sneakers was old and rickety and having diarrhea.

But I understand that when a cat pisses or craps inside a door, it might be because some other animals are coming to that door, maybe at night.  Or maybe he just prefers doing his stuff outside, and is telling you that.  If Zinger was neglected, he's probably not used to litter boxes.


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This one always shatters my "cuteness" scale:




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Who wants to help us trim this monsters nails?  Embarrassed
 
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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

I think that's what we'd like to think that cats think, but I'm not so sure how appreciative cats are.  Dogs, yes.  Cats, I don't know.  The woman who wrote that should just feel good about what she knows she did for "orange kitty" even if orange kitty himself just takes it all for granted.  If the cat bonds with her, she can probably assume that the cat's happy---and that's what's most important.

I've never had litter box problems with my cats.  Mine have full 24-hour in-out access, thanks to the cat door, and have always done their business outdoors.  I haven't even seen my cats crap for years. They go to other people's property for that. The exceptions were when they were kittens and when Sneakers was old and rickety and having diarrhea.


I doubt that dogs "appreciate" being taken care of any more or any less than any other animals. I think the fact that dogs are so eager to please, humans just assume it's appreciation.

As for letting cats have full in-out access 24 he's a day, including at night, that's a good way to lose them. Cats should be kept inside at night. There are just too many things that can happen to them.

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Thor,

It's gotten to the point that I wish I had an enclosed garden area all mine (not common area) so I could let Zinger go out to p&p.  Alas, she has to stay inside or go out where other people, cats and a dog are let out by neighbors.  I'm wondering about her not liking litter because she doesn't like the feel of it.  She was found in a park near the bay, so who knows how long she was roughing it before then.
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I doubt that dogs "appreciate" being taken care of any more or any less than any other animals. I think the fact that dogs are so eager to please, humans just assume it's appreciation.




Well, what's the difference between that and the way humans "appreciate"?  I think it's just the use of the word.  It's like love.  People "love" and animals "bond", so it's said---but what's the difference, other than the word that's being applied to it?


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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

Well, what's the difference between that and the way humans "appreciate"? I think it's just the use of the word. It's like love. People "love" and animals "bond", so it's said---but what's the difference, other than the word that's being applied to it?


Because I think in order to have an "appreciation" of something, there needs to be some cognitive understanding of the effort or expense or knowledge of the sympathy that went into providing that which was provided to them.

Obviously, dogs & cats have no understanding of money or having a job to earn the money, to provide the food & the safe, comfortable home the lucky ones find themselves in.

I think that on some rudimentary level, they have some sense of closeness or kinship etc that causes them to bond with their humans & also, a sense that continuing that bond will cause the food & shelter to continue.

I imagine they also even feel affection though they probably don't understand it.

But as far as dogs appreciating being cared for more than cats, if at all, I kinda doubt it. I think they are just programmed to try to please those who take charge of them.

A good example would be dogs who are treated roughly by their owners to make them mean, yet still do exactly as they're told. I doubt that is out of a sense of appreciation.

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Thor,

It's gotten to the point that I wish I had an enclosed garden area all mine (not common area) so I could let Zinger go out to p&p.  Alas, she has to stay inside or go out where other people, cats and a dog are let out by neighbors.  I'm wondering about her not liking litter because she doesn't like the feel of it.  She was found in a park near the bay, so who knows how long she was roughing it before then.


If she's 12 y/o, there might be an age thing involved. If she was outside long enough, she might just need some time.

Try keeping her in a small space like the bathroom with her litter box for extended periods, say like when you're at work.

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Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

Well, what's the difference between that and the way humans "appreciate"? I think it's just the use of the word. It's like love. People "love" and animals "bond", so it's said---but what's the difference, other than the word that's being applied to it?


Because I think in order to have an "appreciation" of something, there needs to be some cognitive understanding of the effort or expense or knowledge of the sympathy that went into providing that which was provided to them.

Obviously, dogs & cats have no understanding of money or having a job to earn the money, to provide the food & the safe, comfortable home the lucky ones find themselves in.

I think that on some rudimentary level, they have some sense of closeness or kinship etc that causes them to bond with their humans & also, a sense that continuing that bond will cause the food & shelter to continue.

I imagine they also even feel affection though they probably don't understand it.

But as far as dogs appreciating being cared for more than cats, if at all, I kinda doubt it. I think they are just programmed to try to please those who take charge of them.

A good example would be dogs who are treated roughly by their owners to make them mean, yet still do exactly as they're told. I doubt that is out of a sense of appreciation.


That's not much different than what I said.  "Love" and "appreciation" are just intellectualizations of "bonding" and "a desire to please", respectively.  They're the words that people apply to those things.  They require cognitive understanding.  


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Well, like I said, I think in order to "appreciate" something, one must understand the concept of appreciation itself as well as what went into providing what is appreciated. I doubt animals understand humans having to have a job to make the money to pay for the house & buy the food they enjoy. They just know you = food, shelter, head scratches & belly rubs. Those things make the animals feel good & the animal responds in a way that looks like appreciation. Probably more of a feeling of well being & familiarity.

But who knows. 

Even animal "experts" can't tell you for sure.









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If my animals have a feeling of well-being, that's all the appreciation I need.

By the way, I think it's the same for babies and kids in general.  They don't consciously "appreciate" either.  Maybe when they get old enough, they'll apply that word to it.


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I'm just going by the definition of the word "appreciate".

  1. 1.
    recognize the full worth of.
    "she feels that he does not appreciate her"

  2. 2.
    understand (a situation) fully; recognize the full implications of.
    "they failed to appreciate the pressure he was under"

Just don't think animals possess the cognitive ability to grasp such advanced concepts.

But I'm happy to know that they get a sense of warmth & well being from living here with me.

And a full belly.


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